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YouTube vid - very good! (url fixed)
by The Scotsman inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh86vaych58 title = jehovahs witnesses - beneath the tower of fear.. howdy folks.. plenty of jw stuff on youtube nowadays.
the link is to a vid with charles sunutko (co) speaking, in the sixties i think.
talking about 1975.. i am sure many of you have heard it before but was the first time for me, my goodness - scare the living daylights out of people.. this is a classic "fear" talk..
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YouTube vid - very good! (url fixed)
by The Scotsman inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh86vaych58 title = jehovahs witnesses - beneath the tower of fear.. howdy folks.. plenty of jw stuff on youtube nowadays.
the link is to a vid with charles sunutko (co) speaking, in the sixties i think.
talking about 1975.. i am sure many of you have heard it before but was the first time for me, my goodness - scare the living daylights out of people.. this is a classic "fear" talk..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dH86vaycH58 Title = Jehovahs Witnesses - Beneath the tower of fear.
Howdy folks.
Plenty of JW stuff on youtube nowadays. The link is to a vid with Charles Sunutko (CO) speaking, in the sixties I think. Talking about 1975.
I am sure many of you have heard it before but was the first time for me, my goodness - scare the living daylights out of people.
This is a classic "fear" talk.
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Public Talks To Be Discontinued!!! (NOT! - see page 8)
by minimus inafter the sunday culttower study is over, everyone will be expected to preach because the end is soooooooo close!.
[minimus i have added to the title so people can read yor correction.
otherwise i think people might just miss it.
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No problem minimus.
I am actually saddened that it might not be true! Surely though the org need to think about changing the name of it from "public" talk. How many members of the public actually attend these talks.
Oh, hot news off the press - TMS and service meeting are being done away with! Society want the Bros and sisters to stay at home and watch telly. Yippee!!!!!
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Public Talks To Be Discontinued!!! (NOT! - see page 8)
by minimus inafter the sunday culttower study is over, everyone will be expected to preach because the end is soooooooo close!.
[minimus i have added to the title so people can read yor correction.
otherwise i think people might just miss it.
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Hi everyone.
This all sounds abit crazy to me. We have just been told that Public talks are going down to 30 minutes. Now it is possible their has been a rethink on this.
A point that has been made is the new WT study is for members only so I can see why they could posibly ditch the public talks altogether. I was just about to start reducing mine to 30 minutes but not giving them at all sounds better. Its been harder in recent months to say much of what is in my outlines when I doubt its truthfullness now.
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Generation - Prep for bigger change?????
by The Scotsman inthis apparent change to the "generation" is pretty major i think.. when we consider all of the changes in understanding (i mean flashes of light!.
the 1995 change extended this old system by detaching the generation from 1914.. then the may 2007 wt qfr detached the gathering of the anointed from 1935.. now the latest change detaches the generation from all mankind except the small group of anointed.. and because of the 1935 detachment this could run for quite sometime.. most r & f jws will embrace this with both hands.
for me that is my greatest concern - millions will not even stop to think that we only had a flash of light about.
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I just wonder though, is their a tipping point, when so much has changed in the belief system that significant doubt starts to filter throughout the org!!
I totally agree with the points regarding some JWs wont even notice and others had no real attachment to 1914 etc. But, as time goes by their must be a growing skeptacism developing.
I was talking to an elder last week, he said he asked the CO a few months back "Why has armageddon not arrived yet"? The CO said that due to the continual increase being seen in the ministry we are not quite at that point yet.
The interesting point - The elder openly disagreed with the CO, saying that for decades JWs have been on a knife edge, waiting for dramatic developments. People have made major sacrifices because of this, choosing not to have kids or not to pursue education etc. The elder "blamed" the wording of WT articles a a contributing part of the problem, convincing people that it was "around the corner" when obviously it was not. The elder seemed quite angry about the whole thing, he seemed tired of waiting.
I just wonder how many JWs feel like this inside but would never dare verbalise their thoughts?
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Generation - Prep for bigger change?????
by The Scotsman inthis apparent change to the "generation" is pretty major i think.. when we consider all of the changes in understanding (i mean flashes of light!.
the 1995 change extended this old system by detaching the generation from 1914.. then the may 2007 wt qfr detached the gathering of the anointed from 1935.. now the latest change detaches the generation from all mankind except the small group of anointed.. and because of the 1935 detachment this could run for quite sometime.. most r & f jws will embrace this with both hands.
for me that is my greatest concern - millions will not even stop to think that we only had a flash of light about.
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AK - Jeff
You make some good points here. Especially regarding the non reporting of the partakers, I think that is really possible. 1914 is and always has been a key foundation stone of the JW belief system. But its significance seems to be fading rather than suddenly changed. I think if 1914 was just suddenly abandoned it would hit the org hard, and I think they know this.
Gradualism - this is the thinking behind these changes.
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Generation - Prep for bigger change?????
by The Scotsman inthis apparent change to the "generation" is pretty major i think.. when we consider all of the changes in understanding (i mean flashes of light!.
the 1995 change extended this old system by detaching the generation from 1914.. then the may 2007 wt qfr detached the gathering of the anointed from 1935.. now the latest change detaches the generation from all mankind except the small group of anointed.. and because of the 1935 detachment this could run for quite sometime.. most r & f jws will embrace this with both hands.
for me that is my greatest concern - millions will not even stop to think that we only had a flash of light about.
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This apparent change to the "generation" is pretty major I think.
When we consider all of the changes in understanding (i mean flashes of light!) in the last 15 years or so it all serves to delay.The 1995 change extended this old system by detaching the generation from 1914.
Then the May 2007 WT QFR detached the gathering of the anointed from 1935.
Now the latest change detaches the generation from all mankind except the small group of anointed.
And because of the 1935 detachment this could run for quite sometime.Most R & F JWs will embrace this with both hands.
For me that is my greatest concern - millions will not even stop to think that we only had a flash of light about
the generation 12 years ago, which we now say was wrong. I remember at the time it was heralded as a modern day revelation.I was just wondering if this is prep for a bigger change in understanding?
It appears that 1914 is less important in recent years due to amendments to various teachings.Could further flashes be coming? I suppose its inevitable!
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Apostates - viewed as liars, the devils henchmen & to be avoided at all cos
by The Scotsman inyes, as far as jehovahs witnesses are concerned, apostates are evil, wicked, faithless liars.. i was wanting to ask - assuming most if not all who come here are in the jw category of apostate, how do you feel about the fact that you are portrayed in such a light by the org?.
i will be the first to admit - i always thought that those who criticized the org were untruthful or exaggerating.
its not until now i have considered what you guys have to say and how you feel that i realize that what you have to say is all truthful (tinged with a bit of anger perhaps).. personally i think its verging on character assassination.
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Yes, as far as Jehovahs Witnesses are concerned, apostates are evil, wicked, faithless liars.
I was wanting to ask - assuming most if not all who come here are in the JW category of apostate, how do you feel about the fact that you are portrayed in such a light by the org?
I will be the first to admit - I always thought that those who criticized the org were untruthful or exaggerating. Its not until now I have considered what you guys have to say and how you feel that I realize that what you have to say is all truthful (tinged with a bit of anger perhaps).
Personally I think its verging on character assassination. The perception most JWs have is that apostates are lonely unhappy people who have no life, no meaning to life and "most importantly" have no faith. For me this is an important point - coming here I have learned that many have maintained faith, if not in fact strengthened it.
I just wanted you to know that I feel that many sincere people come here. JWs pride themselves in being the most sincere people in the world but of course many are not.
The Scotsman.
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GoverningBody.org is now up.
by James Free inwell, i finally put up the site.
the articles are nothing new - bits from wikipedia etc.
but i hope it will persuade even one 'interested' one to avoid the jw's - and even get an existing member to think.
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James free -
great website - simple but professional. you do not get the boot in you just state the facts.
The internet will be this org's demise for sure.
Well done.
Point - You mention on your site that it was thought the prophets of old were due for resurrection in 1926? I thought it was 1925. No big deal anyway - the date was wrong in the first place.
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What should I say to Mom to really help her?
by OnTheWayOut inanyone who is following my threads knows that i post most everything about my .
wife's loyalty to the wts and the fade i am doing.
i don't post much about my mother.. if you did catch it, i told her several months ago that i had stepped aside as an elder.. she had asked if it was a personal problem, then was it a problem with the boe.. i told her that it was a problem with the organization itself.
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I am in a very similar situation, though still an elder.
I have serious doubts regarding much the WT say but at the same time I do not want to hurt family members - my mother is a diehard Reg pioneer, father currently studying. My wife is in - but a bit weaker at the moment.
What is the best way to proceed???? Please let me know when you work it out, I could do with some pointers myself.
But for me - I cannot just continue with the current situation - things must change. When I am sitting at a meeting, out in ministry, even praying - I have a head full of doubts and distractions almost constantly now.
The Sept KM has already been mentioned - you could use this as some leverage.